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        <title>86. (February 2020) The Player of Games by Iain M. Banks — The Tabletop Roleplayers' Book Club</title>
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        <title>Second Game by Charles V deVet</title>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2022 17:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>I remember rambling about this book sometime during the discussion of Player of Games - well, I finally tracked down a reasonably-priced second hand copy and read it again for the first time since my late teens <img src="https://ttrpbc.com/resources/emoji/smile.png" title=":)" alt=":)" height="20" /></p>

<p>The basic principle of <em>Second Game</em> is that a human explorer / spy / negotiator tries to infiltrate an enemy society which is threatening interstellar war with the large number of loosely affiliated human planets (think Federation or Ekumen rather than Galactic Empire). He masquerades as a player of the local game, with the challenge "I'll win the second game". He uses the first game (which he may or may not win) to identify his opponent's weakness and goes on to exploit the weakness and win the second game.</p>

<p>Superficially, at least in my memory of it, the basic idea and plot were not all that different from the rather later <em>Player of Games</em>, but in fact the overall sweep, and the feelings you are left with, are very different. <em>Second Game</em> is much shorter, for one thing, and focuses more on the particular direction of the plotline rather than meandering from side to side as <em>Player of Games</em> does. Iain Banks is also, IMHO, a better writer, and was also writing after quite a lot more development of how SF tends to be written. <em>Second Game</em> comes over as rather dated in parts, which is fair enough since the original version was published in 1962 - however it's still an interesting idea and I am glad to have refound it.</p>
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        <title>Question 1</title>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Can the Culture be reasonably considered a Utopia? Why or why not? What are its chief problems?</p>

<p>Optionally, compare and contrast with Brave New World.</p>
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        <title>Question 7</title>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>For me, there’s an awful lot of fun pieces of world building in the book, for example ubiquitous machine intelligence, orbitals, people who can change sex and synthesise drugs, the fun names of the starships. Is there anything in there you’d want to use for an RPG?</p>
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        <title>Question 4</title>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2020 00:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>There ought to be a question about machine intelligence – the Drones and Minds. Is it a problem for the Culture that the Minds (such as ship Minds and the orbital Hub) have almost incomparably superior intelligence in comparison to people?</p>

<p>Also, is there anything else you'd like to talk about on this topic?</p>
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        <title>Question 5</title>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2020 00:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>The Culture interferes with the Empire of Azad for its own good (though not the good of the current rulers and social system), to the extent of bringing about its downfall. Is it morally right for it to interfere in this way? If so, what justifies the decision?</p>
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        <title>Question 2</title>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>The book is of course called <em>The Player of Games</em>. Did you get a sense of the feel of the games played in the book? In particular, did you get a feeling for what Azad might be like to play?</p>
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        <title>Question 6</title>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Did any characters in particular appeal to you? Which?</p>
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        <title>Question 3</title>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>In some ways the book was quite predictable. It was clear that Gurgeh would go on the mission. It was not a surprise, I think, that Gurgeh would be the grand champion of Azad. Did the book have sufficient surprises along the way, or was the journey sufficiently interesting?</p>
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