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        <title>84. (December 2019) Brave New World by Aldous Huxley — The Tabletop Roleplayers' Book Club</title>
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        <title>New streaming series planned...</title>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2020 07:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[All, l just read this<br />
<a href="https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/brave-new-world-book-show-changes" rel="nofollow">https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/brave-new-world-book-show-changes</a><br />
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Which describes how NBC are about to serialise a new version of Brave New World, in ways that they feel bring parts of the story up to date with contemporary issues while still preserving the guts of the story. Not sure if / when / how it might be viewable over here in the UK but it might be interesting to see how they've reinterpreted it.]]>
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        <title>Brave New World 5: Is suffering needed for good art?</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jan 2020 11:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>"You can't make tragedies without social instability." "Stability isn't nearly so spectacular as instability. And being contented has none of the glamour of a good fight against misfortune, none of the picturesqueness of a struggle with temptation, or a fatal overthrow by passion or doubt. Happiness is never grand."</p>

<p>Do artists need to have personally suffered in order to produce good art? Does the audience of art need to have suffered to appreciate good art? Is it enough for suffering to take place (and be known) somewhere in society for good art? And if suffering is required, how much suffering should we tolerate as the price to pay for the art? (And does the answer change when we consider the value of art from an perspective of individual aesthetic appreciation, or for what it does to enrich and guide a culture?)</p>
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        <title>Brave New World 8: How do you roleplay in a different culture?</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jan 2020 11:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Related to <a rel="nofollow" href="/discussion/371/brave-new-world-7-is-an-outsider-needed-to-highlight-features-of-a-culture">question 7</a>, how do you encourage and support RPGs that revolve around a different culture? Do you need to have PCs as outsiders, or can you start with characters embedded in that culture? How do you ensure that everyone at the table understands the cultural background and assumptions of their characters?</p>
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        <title>Brave New World 6: Is &quot;Brave New World&quot; good art?</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jan 2020 11:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p><em>Brave New World</em> is a book of ideas, and the writing reflects that. The book starts and ends with several chapters that are essentially lectures on the benefits of the <em>Brave New World</em>. The characters are at best simplified if not characatures. None of them has a deep and complex inner life. The book does little to explore the emotions and relationships of the people we meet. The plot of the book is simple and direct, with no great mysteries or revelations. </p>

<p>As a piece of literature, is this book good art?</p>
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        <title>Brave New World 9: How do you make utopias gamable?</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jan 2020 11:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Utopias are often portrayed as calm and conflict-free. (Examples include the <em>Brave New World</em>, <em>Star Trek</em>'s Federation, Banks's <em>Culture</em>, and the upper-class goings of of much steampunk). How do you create compelling stories and game opportunities based around these cultures? Solutions include the conflict between individual happiness and the greater good (such as Marx's arc in <em>Brave New World</em>), outsiders coming in to the utopia (<em>Gulliver's Travels</em>), the utopia interacting with its "less enlightened" neighbours (<em>Star Trek</em>, <em>Culture</em>), or people realising that the supposed utopia has a darker underside (<em>Soylent Green</em>?).</p>

<p>How can you bring a utopia to the gaming table in a compelling way? Can pure utopias be the setting of an interesting story?</p>
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        <title>Brave New World 3: What is &quot;culture&quot;?</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jan 2020 11:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>People live in an environment that dictates what behaviour and language is acceptable. There are norms that dictate our lives, for the most part. Currently, we understand these norms by living in a culture and absorbing what's understood to be correct behaviour. In <em>Brave New World</em>, much of the culture is communicated by conditioning. We are supposed to feel repelled by this deliberate fixing of culture. But is it worse than what parents and teachers do to children, or what advertisers and journalists do to adults? Are outlets such as <em>Fox News</em> and <em>Tribune</em> similar vehicles for the imposition of culture?</p>
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        <title>Brave New World 1: Utopia or dystopia?</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jan 2020 11:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Is <em>Brave New World</em> a utopia or a dystopia?</p>

<p>On the one hand, everyone his happy. People have all their material needs met, and the society is set up so that people are fufilled in their roles. People can fulfil their potential and gain satisfaction from doing so, even if that potential is limited by eugenic breeding. For instance, Linda took her book on conditioning techniques implies that workers need to study to be successful at their jobs. From a Utilitarianistic perspective it's nearly a perfect society: happiness is maximised, as everyone is happy all the the time.</p>

<p>On the other hand, people are conditioned from fertilization to puberty to be happy with their assigned role. They have little choice about what they do, and most people are mentally and psychologically crippled to want no more from life than that their assigned role. Is slavery any less wrong if the Epsilon-class slave is happy in their role and unwilling and unable to do anything else?</p>

<p>What makes a setting utopian or dystopian? How could the <em>Brave New World</em> move from one to the other?</p>
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        <title>Brave New World 10: Where are we?</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jan 2020 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>The novel is often held out as a cautionary tale of how society could fail, and a warning of what's happening in our own culture. Do you think that we're in danger of heading towards something like <em>Brave New World</em>? Is there too much emphasis on immediate gratification, conformity, and the suppression of difference? Is the current embracing of diversity just another element of instant gratification? (You can be whoever you want to be, so long as it's your personal choice and not wider than that.) Are Western metroplitans being treated like those in China, with great economic freedom in exchange for no political voice? Is the current rise of far-right movements, and their easy answers of blaming outsiders, another example of infantilisation of people?</p>
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        <title>Brave New World 4: Science and God</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jan 2020 11:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>In their discussion at the end of the book, Mond and Savage have a long discussion about God and his place in a culture based on scientific principles. I don't have much to say about this, but I'm leaving this here in case others want to discuss it.</p>
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        <title>Brave New World 7: Is an outsider needed to highlight features of a culture?</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jan 2020 11:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>NeilNjae</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>We see the <em>Brave New World</em> through the eyes of two outsiders: John Savage is a true outsider to the world, but Bernard Marx is an outsider in that he does not confrom to the mores of the world in which he was brought up. It's a pattern repeated in many stories that revolve around different cultures. Is this outsider viewpoint necessary to highlight what's interesting about a different culture? </p>
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        <title>Brave New World 2: What is &quot;freedom&quot;?</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jan 2020 11:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Near the end of the book, Savage and Mond argue about the nature of freedom. Savage argues that people in the Brave New World have no freedom and therefore lead unfulfilled lives. But Mond counters that people have just enough to do, and that makes them happy. People work, enjoy the feelies, take soma, and they're conditioned to be satisfied with their lot.  Savage replies with his call to arms: "I don't want comfort. I want God, I want poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness. I want sin."</p>

<p>How much freedom is required to have a fulfilling life? How much risk, and how much consequence, should society allow for for individuals? When should society intervene to prevent someone making mistakes or poor choices? If people are prevented from making bad choices, are they also prevented from living life to the full? How much pain and hardship should we allow to happen?</p>

<p>For instance, should we provide a welfare state, to provide some basic level of food, shelter, and medical care for all? Should we provide some work, or meaningful work, for everyone? Should we provide free education to all, and to what level (primary school or bachelors degree)?</p>

<p>Does it make a difference if the society that intervenes is The State, or more local groups such as a  church congregation?</p>
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        <title>Brave New World 0. The prejudice and anachronism dumping ground</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jan 2020 11:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>NeilNjae</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p><em>Brave New World</em> was written in the 1930s, and it shows with a lot of prejudices and assumptions in the book. Use this thread to note, discuss, or moan about them, without derailing other discussions.</p>

<p>I'll start.</p>

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<li>Sexism and misogyny: The world is stated as being gender-equal, but the only Alphas we see working are all men. Lenina may be an Alpha, but she's portrayed as being a shallow, hedonistic, infantile person.</li>
<li>Racism: Similarly, ethnicity is mentioned a few times, but the only non-whites we see are outsiders or lower caste people. I don't recall any mention of ethnicity of Alphas, implying we should think of them all as white.</li>
<li>Technology: there are punched cards where we would use computers. There are Epsilon sub-morons where we would use automation (for instance, the lift attendant).</li>
<li>Ecology: The world is based around consumerism, and profligate consumerism at that. Could the global ecology support the high levels of population and consumption we see?</li>
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<p>What else is there?</p>
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