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        <title>113. (August 2022) The Buried Giant by Kazuo Ishiguro — The Tabletop Roleplayers' Book Club</title>
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        <title>Buried Giant: Themes and role-playing</title>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2022 20:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Buried Giant struck me as, well, not very heroic for a story which is clearly grounded on heroic story-telling. At the same time, I don't think I would say it is about an anti-hero either. Quite a few of the characters are heroic, or are going to be, whether they are goodies or baddies. This is because the themes of our relation as patients of forgetfulness and extinction are not so often dealt with in this or any other genre. I think this thematic paradox explains in part how Ishiguro generated the tension that makes a good story work.</p>

<p>That said, how could these be played? What would it be like to role-play one of these characters in a game? Or is this book finally not a source for role-playing?</p>
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        <title>Places</title>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2022 20:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>In one way Buried Giant presents a fairly straightforward quest plot, where the story happens in episodes strung together by travel to exotic places where we meet strange people and wandering monsters who are sometimes friends, sometimes enemies, and sometimes concerned with something else entirely. We have a Briton and a Saxon village, a dangerous bridge, a monastery, a dungeon, a wild, travel by boats, a ruin filled by strange children, and a waste with a dragon in it. Finally there is an island paradise, or undying land at any rate. These are all tropes, and even approaching cliche status. How did these places compare with your expectations of how a quest should proceed? What about other authors' visions of quests?</p>
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        <title>Buried Giant: Characters and action</title>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2022 20:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Axl and Beatrice are clearly the protagonists of the book, although Gawain gets a major section in his own voice. The principal and secondary antagonists (dragon and trolls) don't even appear. One thing I noticed was that the secondary characters and monsters seemed more clearly drawn that the principals, which I thought was somehow related to the fact that existed only in the present, and so the lack of back-story wasn't so important, which in turn has something to do with the magic in the story. At the end of the book I had a clearer picture of the boatman (or men?), the villagers, the monks, in their context, than I did of Axl and Beatrice. Well maybe not the boatmen, but they were vibrant if vague. And I thought the secondary monsters were great as well - the dungeon crawl was actually scary. Good stuff.</p>

<p>However I can't really imagine anyone saying, "Hey! I'd like to play that character!" even if they were NPCs, which is what I think Gaiman was pointing to when he said</p>

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  <p>The excitements that the book would deliver were this a more formulaic or crowd-pleasing novel are, here, when they appear, not exciting, perhaps because they would be young people's adventures, and this is, at its heart, a book about two [old] people who are now past all adventure</p>
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<p>What did people think of the characters? How could it make sense to play being past adventure?</p>
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        <title>Buried Giant: Genre and boundaries in fiction and gaming</title>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2022 19:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>This book elicited an active discussion of the relation and boundaries of Fantasy and literature by some experts, e.g.</p>

<p>1) Neil Gaiman's review in the NYT (paywalled, excertps from here: <a href="http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/2015/03/neil-gaiman-on-kazuo-ishiguros-buried.html" rel="nofollow">http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/2015/03/neil-gaiman-on-kazuo-ishiguros-buried.html</a> - short summary: he thought it was important and effective, didn't love it because it might be allegory);</p>

<p>2) Ursula K Le Guin took active offense against Ishiguro as disrespectful trespasser, and then drew back: (<a href="https://www.ursulakleguin.com/blog/95-are-they-going-to-say-this-is-fantasy" rel="nofollow">https://www.ursulakleguin.com/blog/95-are-they-going-to-say-this-is-fantasy</a> and <a href="https://www.ursulakleguin.com/blog/96-addendum-to-are-they-going-to-say-this-is-fantasy" rel="nofollow">https://www.ursulakleguin.com/blog/96-addendum-to-are-they-going-to-say-this-is-fantasy</a>); and</p>

<p>3) Ishiguro's response in the Grauniad (<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/mar/08/kazuo-ishiguro-rebuffs-genre-snobbery" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/mar/08/kazuo-ishiguro-rebuffs-genre-snobbery</a>)</p>

<p>Reading through this stuff I started thinking about how there is an idea that people's expectations and identities deserve to be met, respected, confronted.</p>

<p>This applies to rpgs as well, e.g. narrative games, OSR games, crunchy games, SF vs Fantasy games, table-top vs computer RPGs, etc. And I think there might be something important here about how TTRPGs work in play - the people playing have expectations of what's allowed or not within the frame, people expect their play to be validated, and this can leaed to conflict e.g. a) Some people might want to play immersive games where their character's actions occur as described in the 1st person, other people want to simply describe what the character does in the 3rd person and let the system shape outcomes through mechanics; b) Some people want to use combat to resolve all encounter, others might want something to do something other than kill Bill.</p>

<p>It comes up in our discussions as well. Interested in hearing what Buried Giant provoked among the TTRPGBC, if anything. How did Buried Giant satisfy or disturb expectations? Anyone have any experiences with this in play?</p>
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        <title>Buried Giant: General thoughts</title>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2022 19:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hope everyone in North America had a pleasant Labour Day weekend, and a pleasant 1st weekend in September to everyone. This discussion topic is for whatever responses people had to the book in general.</p>

<blockquote><div>
  <p>The Grandson : A book?<br />
  Grandpa : That's right. When I was your age, television was called books. And this is a special book. It was the book my father used to read to me when I was sick, and I used to read it to your father. And today I'm gonna read it to you.<br />
  The Grandson : Has it got any sports in it?<br />
  Grandpa : Are you kidding? Fencing, fighting, torture, revenge, giants, monsters, chases, escapes, true love, miracles...<br />
  The Grandson : Doesn't sound too bad. I'll try to stay awake.<br />
  Grandpa : Oh, well, thank you very much, very nice of you. Your vote of confidence is overwhelming.</p>
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<p>I really enjoyed reading this. I thought it had pretty much everything for OSR: a dungeon crawl, a hex crawl, contradictory quests, battles, monsters, heroes, villains, magic, true love, ... But at the same time it isn't much like any other Arthurian or high fantasy book I've read. There were several vignettes that I thought would make good adventures, but I had a hard time imagining them turning out in play the way they turned out in the book. And the voice and tenor of the book was something something something something. Really liked it.</p>

<p>And it touched on themes e.g. death due to old age, grief and yearning for a past that is poorly remembered, that I have a hard time imagining working in play. I saw some similarities to the seriousness of themes in Cloud Atlas, but Mitchell's book seemed much more in genre, and so (for me) not as touching, though a couple of the stories in Cloud Atlas were amazing.</p>

<p>Another point where I saw similarities and differences with Cloud Atlas was the variety of narrative voices covering the same story. The unreliable narrators here though don't seem the same as unreliable narrators in other books, though I'm not sure why.</p>

<p>Anyway look forward to hearing what other folks thought of the book as a whole, and especially any comparisons with other books we've read, either with the club or elsewhere.</p>
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        <title>Buried Giant: memory and forgetting</title>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2022 11:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>As the book is about memory and forgetting, I thought we could discuss those themes.</p>

<p>As I see it, there are three contexts for forgetting in the book:</p>

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<li>The enforced forgetting of the genocide of Saxons, to ensure the peace afterwards. (Does that mean Arthur is Big Brother, Gawain is O'Brien, and Querig is MiniTru?)</li>
<li>Forgetting to cope with grief. Forgetting dead relatives to avoid reliving the pain of their loss; and the loss of memories that come with death, and the hope that the dead will remember each other in the afterlife.</li>
<li>Forgetting as forgiveness, where Axl and Beatrice forget the harms they've done to each other so they can remain in love.</li>
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<p>What other instances of memory and forgetting are there in the book?</p>

<p>When is forgetting justified, or understandable, or desirable? When and what should we <strong><em>not</em></strong> forget?</p>

<p>I came across this article on the subject in The Conversation (a collection of accessible articles by academics): <a rel="nofollow" href="https://theconversation.com/what-ishiguros-buried-giant-tells-us-about-memory-40828">"What Ishiguro’s Buried Giant tells us about memory"</a>.</p>
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        <title>The Buried Giant: Description and back cover blurb</title>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2022 19:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>113. (August 2022) The Buried Giant by Kazuo Ishiguro</category>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Romans have long since departed, and Britain is steadily declining into ruin.</strong></p>

<p><em>The Buried Giant</em> begins as a couple, Axl and Beatrice, set off across a troubled land of mist and rain in the hope of finding a son they have not seen for years. They expect to face many hazards - some strange and other-worldly - but they cannot yet foresee how their journey will reveal to them dark and forgotten corners of their love for one another.</p>

<p>'A beautiful fable with a hard message at its core . . . There won't, I suspect, be a more important work of fiction published this year.' <strong>John Sutherland, <em>The Times</em></strong></p>

<p>'An exceptional novel . . . The Buried Giant does what important books do: it remains in the mind long after it has been read, refusing to leave.' <strong>Neil Gaiman, <em>New York Times Book Review</em></strong></p>

<p>'A beautiful, heartbreaking book about the duty to remember and the urge to forget.' <strong>Alex Preston, <em>Observer</em></strong></p>
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